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Well, it seams that actually works pretty good :)
Thanks for The Mighty Headphone Quest!
You helped me on my next headphone choice that i actaully hold it till the quest was done...
Nice job man!
Congrats ;)
Well I bought my Shure SRH840 the day before I found your blog but it still seems to be a great choice and I love them. Thanks for the videos!
I was looking for some quality headphones and a friend sent me in your direction. Before you reached your conclusion (thus far), I ended up testing the Denon ah-d2000 - they brought a huge smile to my face when I plugged them in - went home and found them on bandhphoto.com for $214 - far from the $350 bucks they charged at the audio store in downtown Bellevue.
Anyways, ended up with a used pair from amazon for a bargain.
The headphones sound amazing, feel really sturdy and the cord is great. Thanks for doing all the hard work and putting these suckers through the test.
Just got me some of the Ultrasone 680's. They were surprisingly flat. I could see where the spike was in the upper sections (6 to 10 k), but also I could see how acurate they are in MF and LF sections. I used them to check the positioning of my microphones from the headphones, so I know how they can react in the PA. Though it is very wrong to listen ONLY in the headphones for mixing, I find that a good representation is happening in the PA before the speakers. Very good reference cans to cue with.
Thanks for the blog! Been a big help!
And I am wanting to get those AH-D2000's next. I think they will turn out to win the whole quest! Hands down.
Dave, have you gotten a pair of those Beyerdynamic DT 770s to test yet?
Hi Dave - re: hearing sound in one ear over the other in different phones, etc... - The difference may be in how much physical pressure the phones excert on your skull - you might already know this, but there are two types of hearing - air conduction and bone conduction. We test hearing by having a patient listen to a tuning fork next to their ear; when they can no longer hear it, we put it against their head behind their ear (the mastoid bone), and they should hear it again. Because of the density of bone, "bone conduction" is more sensitive tha "air conduction" (i.e.; subs work better when physically touching the ground). To sum up: If the phones are pushing against your skull, you'll hear it in both ears, even with one ear off. If you already knew this, sorry. Either way, how many people would notice that? You have amazing ears!! Martin
Hi Dave - a quick clarification to my previous comment; the tuning fork test things are called the Rhinne Test, and the Weber Test - Google those or "air conduction vs bone conduction". If the phones are touching your head physically hard enough for your skull bones to pick up the vibrations, the sound will be transmitted the opposite ear, through bone but also through tissue. It will be delayed, and be affected by density of the bone/tissue it's passing through before it gets to your opposite ear, which could explain why it sounds distant and resonant. (I'm not an audiologist, but I play one on the Internet). I'm not certain about any of this, but it makes sense. Martin
Hello Martin,
Well, my hearing and the complexity of the crosstalk between ears, I believe is pretty straight forward. It turns out that the headphones that use 4 wires, 2 left ear and 2 for right ear, do not have the bleed issue. Some of the 3 wire headphones are effected more than others and I believe it is directly related to the wire thickness versus the headphone impedance.
Hi Dave - you must get numerous comments from the peanut gallery - thanks for answering mine. I'm sure that the manufactures take into account human anatomy and physiology, and design their products accordingly. 3-wire feedback is, of course, the more plausible and provable answer.
Hey Dave. I'm sure someone has already mentioned these to you, but I wanted to ask for myself because I have always been curious about them. Have you looked at audiometers, as in the headphones used by audiologists to test for impaired hearing? Sennheiser carries a couple pairs, and they are supposedly designed to be flat to measure hearing. Wouldn't they be a good choice in looking for flat, closed headphones?
I wonder if Sennheiser would send you the HDA200 and the HDA280's to try out and see if they work ok. They also come in funky red left, blue right colored enclosures.
Just a thought
Shapiro
I though about using and checked into a more professional measurement system but several things inspired me to avoid them.
1) The fact that so many headphones are so far from being close to flat makes me question the measurement systems used by the manufacturers.
2) I wanted to use a measurement system that anyone who wishes can fairly inexpensively "do this at home" and check my measurements, rather than try and convince people of the credibility.
3) the measurement method I used was so simple and aligned very well with real world experiences and popular live headphones show up fairly flat.
So once I got to that point and found my crappy crude measurement system was an order of magnitude more refined than the responses I was seeing even on high end headphones, I just figured weeding out the
really far off ones (nearly all of them) was good enough.
I am really Happy with the Denon D2000 and D5000's which are my new favorites. The Ultrasone HFI 680's will be my utility pair. And I use the Sennheiser HD25 for my morning jogs.
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